O'Reily---Is he Fact or Fiction----Spin?

[sparkie]

I have not watched this guy much to yet form an impression of him. I did notice right away that people probably either really like him or really dislike him. :chatter:

Is he an acquired taste?

How accurate is his version of stories?

[Arthur]

Sparkie--

Yes, Bill is a different type of news head. His news show is bold and has punch. I suggest you watch ole Bill for awhile w/ an open mind.

I believe he tries hard to be clear and direct. And does a pretty good job.

[vervilledeb1]

I will add this to my "have to watch" list along with Mr. Trump.

[sparkie]

I think this Mr. Bill is growing on me. I am going to watch him more closely now.

[vervilledeb1]

I actually watched him for the first time last night and I enjoyed it. Of course a story had to be done about the wild party at Brown University which caught my attention RIGHT away. Figures, such a little state I live in and the story that gets broadcasted is wild um I'll leave it at wild..lol. I'd hate to have to mod my own message! :rotate:


Debby

[sparkie]

Deb,

So....how was the party saturday night? The Rhody Island Brown University one. :jump:

Last night ole Bill was stirring up some strong opinions about the California voters in San Franciso choosing to bar the US military recruiters from public school, grade school thru college.

Some critics are claiming that O'Reilly said that San Francisco should then be attacked by terrorists. That is not what he said or implied. He was just saying that if this city was under attack or threat of, then they would want the military everywhere, including all schools. :shake:

O'reilly's whole statement on subject is at BillOreilly.com, Link: http://billoreilly.com/blog#733599634464643136

[vervilledeb1]

Sparkie,

I was not at that party but I heard people were trying to find me on the camera shots. :kermit:

I did not see the last episode of O'Reilly due to the fact that I was under strict orders to watch The Apprentice. Which, I have to admit I did learn a few things.


Thanks,
Debby

[Heathcliff]

I'm a long time Bill O'Reilly fan. I think he changed the way news journalists perform. His show has evolved a lot. In the early days he wasn't so cocky! :shin: (hey, I like that smiley!)

His show is so successful now that he has a lot of influence. That's a good thing and a bad thing, depending on how he chooses to use the power. I don't always agree that he's on the money with his opinions.

I also don't agree that he doesn't spin. Sometimes he spins like a top!

It would be fun to meet up here after the show and have a discussion. I've been looking for something like that. They don't even do much of it on his own message boards. Too busy fighting about everything else probably. :lol:

[vervilledeb1]

Yes, it would be fun to meet up here after one of the broadcasts! Need a good group ready for debate.....


Debby

[vervilledeb1]

The thing about O'Reilly is his show causes you to THINK. I don't always agree with what is being stated but he gets the wheels turning.

Debby

[NicoMoon]

The thing about O'Reilly is his show causes you to THINK. I don't always agree with what is being stated but he gets the wheels turning.

Debby

Oh, yes, I have to agree! That is what I like about O'Reilly too. So many times Franklin and I will be watching a show and have to put it on pause so we can go research an issue that we're debating. We're really learned a lot since we started watching his show, especially about how to THINK.

The downside for O'Reilly is that we often THINK about how he's not thinking himself.

O' Reilly can spin like a top with the rest of them when he's got an agenda. There are some topics that he's just not capable of being objective about.

Right now it's the Christmas controversy. Actually, anything to do with religion gets Mr. O spinning like a top. He's very blinded by his own personal beliefs, so much so that he equates atheism with bad behavior and a lack of ethics, which the facts just don't support. Bill seems to be incapable of having a meaningful debate about religion or beliefs.

The problem with the "No Spin" concept is that just because he says he isn't spinning doesn't mean that he's not.

[Antonio]

Anytime anyone would like a nice debate about Mr. Bill please let me know. I would love it!


Tony

[WileyCoyote]

O'Reilly is an idiot. Talk about a one track mind. All he talks about these days is the so-called battle for Christmas and the awful secularists.

And he's a hypocrite. He had two liberals on last night and he was going on about how far-left people abuse people they don't like. These two didn't claim to be far-left and O'Reilly didn't accuse them of it. So why were they being charged with defending the far-left? It's like asking Newt Gingrich to defend the Nazies, because there both right-wing.

Anyway, Bill challenged the liberals to show one example of how far-right people ever abused their opponents. He said far-left people call for boycotts of their opponents. Bill called for a boycott of France and threatened one against Canada if they don't send back the AWOL guys. He doesn't have the guts to outright call for a boycot against stores that don't say Merry Christmas, so he puts up a poll asking if people will not shop at these stores to create the climate. He keeps talking about how the LA times and some Tampa newspaper are losing subscribers and seems happy about it. So I thought it was ironic that he criticized left-wingers for boycotting

He's so caught up in his Christian Crusade he probably doesn't even know how irrational he is.

You guys need a dunce cap icon. Oh this one's good :dork:

[Lyte]

O'Reily is fact, fiction and spin. :shake:

I used to dig O'Reily but now I find him utterly rude and obnoxious. I can appreciate his point of view but his delivery sucks. He constantly interrupts people and every time he says "You've got the last word... " it's a crock. He ends up interrupting the person and taking the last word himself. :chatter:

I also dislike his leading... spin filled... questions. He was interviewing Howard Stern recently and kept asking the same question, (paraphrased) "So, your Sirius show will be basically profanity and porn, right?" Rather than letting the man answer an open (un-spun) question like, "What's your show going to be about? No, he's got to get his own opinion in there... I think it was three times.

I can't stand the guy anymore.

Lyte

[Heathcliff]

Hi Lyte,

Hey, before I forget, I'm bookmarking your message board!! PC101! How cool is that??

I have to agree that O'Reilly has become too full of himself. He was a heck of a lot better before he became so widely viewed and had to work for his audience. Now he's just sailing on his own notoriety, and abusing it, IMNSHO.

If he says "I don't want to tell you people what to think" one more time, I think I'm going to have to start watching Nasty Grace's show instead. At least she's entertaining...........and blonde! ;)

Who the hell is O'Reilly to tell anyone what to think? Or to think that what he says is so important that he has to control himself?

He does have a sychophantic audience though, that's true, and scary. But even the mighty must fall! Someone else will come along and blow him out of the water. It just takes one good controversy, and since that's all his current popularity is based on, that's all it will take to topple him.

Counting down..........tick, tick, tick..........

Too bad, O'Reilly! You should have stuck to "no spin". That was a good one, while it lasted!

Your pal,

Heathcliff

[Lyte]

Heathcliff,

Thanks for bookmark! Come by and visit... we're a mellow group like LiveWire :)

You're right! He should have stuck to "No Spin," keeping in step with Fox's "Fair and Balanced" mantra. LOL :p

Lyte

[Antonio]

Yes, I have to say I agree. I saw him on David Letterman the other night and he acted very smug. Can't say I took a liking to him acting this way. Throught the interview I got the feeling that Letterman did not care for him at all.

[WileyCoyote]

OK, so O'reilly is at it again. Haven't watched him much recently but I see he hasn't changed. He did a segment about Harry Belefonte supporting the dictator in Venezuala, Chavez? Anyway, Bellefonte is an idiot but he's not endangering troops like Mr Bill says.

O'Reilly said Al Jezera and all the Middle East media will show Bellefonte calling Dubya the worst tyrant in the world. So? Like they need to hear some old has-been criticize Bush to inspire them to kill Americans?

Mr Bill thinks that the president should be exempt from criticism and should have all kinds of extra powers because we're at war. OK, so all a president has to do to have the powers of an emporer is make sure we're always at war. That way he can do whatever he wants and anyone who complains is anti-American. Then BOR *****s about the media taking shots at him. What a moron. We're allowed to call celebrities names here, I hope.

[Franklin]

Hi Wiley,

Yes, you're allowed to call people in the public eye names, as long as I agree with you :) In this case I agree up to a point. I still gotta give him props for having a show where real issues are discussed without a panel of people talking over each other, ala Hannity and Colmes.

I am starting to believe the criticisms directed at Bill saying he is a mouthpiece for the White House. He usually responds by mentioning the fact that he does criticize Bush on occasion. The only significant criticism I can think of is about protecting the border, and Bill always mentions that this has been a problem with all recent administrations, thereby diluting even that criticism. Though I do agree with him about it.

He also goes along with the adolescent nonsense that the Dems will pound anybody Bush nominates for the Supreme Court. I guess he's forgetting how easily Roberts was confirmed. Harriet Miers should have rejected, IMO. And so far I'm not feeling real good about Alito, based on the reportage that he almost always sides with the government in his decisions and seems to believe that the government should have absolute power. I do need to research this more though before coming to a conclusion about Alito. But the point is, if Bush continues to nominate bad people, I hope the Democrats continue to reject them. And I hope the Republicans do as well.

Cheers, Franklin

[Sundae]

Randomly selecting this thread for my first post. Hello, everyone.

I find the show entertaining when I happen to see it, although I don't seek it out. I think he's a good deal less offensive than say Bill Mahr because I prefer genuine disagreement expressed sincerely rather than snidely. Which is not to say that I don't think Mahr is funny because of course he is. Why wouldn't he be? He is a comedian who became a sort of pundit. O'Reilly is a pundit or journalist who became a sort of comedian. Both of them think everyone should think the way they think. O'Reilly just comes off as someone who can tolerate or possibly only ignore those who don't and Mahr comes off as someone whose fervent dream is that they not be allowed to vote for even the next M & M color.

Come to think of it, perhaps after looking around this site, it was subconsciously not so random that this is my first post.

[NicoMoon]

Randomly selecting this thread for my first post. Hello, everyone.

Come to think of it, perhaps after looking around this site, it was subconsciously not so random that this is my first post.

Hello Sundae and Welcome to Livewire!

I like your first post, it is full of insight and reflects the practice of critical thinking!

You've caught me on the downslide, however, and I'm about to pack it in for the night. The olde braine is begging for a rest!

I'll catch up with you tomorrow though, and hope to see you then!

Thanks for stopping by!

Nico

[Franklin]

Hi Sundae,

I've only seen Bill Mahr a few times and I wasn't too impressed. So I agree that O'Reilly's better. Actually, O'Reilly is one of the best TV commentators, unfortunately. I used to like him a lot more, but he has gotten very arrogant. Sometimes he even gives us permission to make up own minds!

He likes to crusade. According to O'Reilly many problems only have one possible solution - his. The only solution to child molestation is Jessica's Law. The only solution to illegal immigration is putting the National Guard on the border. The ACLU is always wrong. Secularists are destroying the country and want to deprive people of their religious practice. Any criticism of the war in Iraq or of Bush puts our troops in jeopardy. The lists goes on and on.

Cheers, Franklin.

[Rico Suavay]

Virgin post here! :spineyes:

I love O'Reilly. He is "in your face" and "right to the point"


His credibility is outstanding

[MilkDudz]

O'Reilly is a dangerous man, in my opinion. He stirs up the people who are too lazy (or stupid) to think for themselves. He makes specious claims -- they might sound good on the surface, but they are flawed. He gets people to jump on his bandwagon and the result, if we're not careful, is going to be a new McCarthy era. Rip up the Constitution. Shame on the ACLU for trying to protect it.

[Franklin]

Hi MilkDudz,

I think he's arrogant. He comes up with the one perfect solution for whatever problems there is and everybody better get on board if they want to be considered reasonable, patriotic, etc. Such as his solution to child molestation, Jessica's Law; illegal immigration, National Guard; heathens (progressive secularists, that is) taking over American, boycott major businesses without having the guts to directly calling for a boycott...

Not that he's always wrong, but he certainly is sometimes. And even if he has a good solution, someone else may have a better solution, but we would never know it by watching O'Reilly.

[Rico Suavay]

O'Reilly is a dangerous man, in my opinion. He stirs up the people who are too lazy (or stupid) to think for themselves. He makes specious claims -- they might sound good on the surface, but they are flawed. QUOTE]


"Dangerous man" seems a little harsh. Yes he stirs up people and you are entitled to your opinion, but to say he stirs up the braindead and lazy is testimony to what side of the coin you stand on.

Flawed or not, he gives YOU the viewer the change to investigate on your own to get to the real truth.

Just because you do not agree with what he does or what he says, does not give you the right to call all his supporters stupid and lazy.

He provides a service. A service that you have a right to view or not to view. May I suggest that if you do not agree with him, please step up to the plate and take him up on his offer of debating him live on his show.

Without his claims, most things such as this would have been swept under the rug. Do I agree with him 100%? No!
Do I always agree with his tactics? No!

But this man is bringing to the surface the type of things that are wrong with America and need attention.

THEN it is up to you, and I guess the brain dead and lazy like myself to use our own brain and decide for ourselves.


[QUOTE]I think he's arrogant. He comes up with the one perfect solution for whatever problems there is and everybody better get on board if they want to be considered reasonable, patriotic, etc. Such as his solution to child molestation, Jessica's Law; illegal immigration, National Guard; heathens (progressive secularists, that is) taking over American, boycott major businesses without having the guts to directly calling for a boycott...

Not that he's always wrong, but he certainly is sometimes. And even if he has a good solution, someone else may have a better solution, but we would never know it by watching O'Reilly


I agree he is arrogant most times, but like I said above he is providing a much needed service. Agree or disagree with him, he brings matters to attention.

He appears to think he is the final answer at times but what he is doing is stirring up the people enough for them to take the action they feel needs done.

Controversial? Yes !

Good for the Country? Yes !

[Franklin]

Hi Rico,

I agree with you that Bill brings issues out that otherwise may not see the light of day. That's what I like about him.

Flawed or not, he gives YOU the viewer the change to investigate on your own to get to the real truth

Well, so does everyone else. If you see a story on 60 Minutes, there's nothing to stop you from investigating further.

I have written him a few letters in the past. As for debating him on his show, I'm hiding under my desk :)

I would not say that O'Reilly's audience is braindead and lazy in general. But anyone who allows themselves to be whipped up on O'Reilly's (or anyone else's) word without investigating and thinking further would fit into that category.

I do think his show is valuable. But it does get old when we keep hearing about the same topics such as the "assault om Christmas". And it's annoying when Bill talks over his guests because they present an argument that he emotionally dismisses out of hand. He would probably be kicked off of this board for doing that :)

[vervilledeb1]

[QUOTE=MilkDudz]O'Reilly is a dangerous man, in my opinion. He stirs up the people who are too lazy (or stupid) to think for themselves. He makes specious claims -- they might sound good on the surface, but they are flawed. QUOTE]


"Dangerous man" seems a little harsh. Yes he stirs up people and you are entitled to your opinion, but to say he stirs up the braindead and lazy is testimony to what side of the coin you stand on.

Flawed or not, he gives YOU the viewer the change to investigate on your own to get to the real truth.

Just because you do not agree with what he does or what he says, does not give you the right to call all his supporters stupid and lazy.

He provides a service. A service that you have a right to view or not to view. May I suggest that if you do not agree with him, please step up to the plate and take him up on his offer of debating him live on his show.

Without his claims, most things such as this would have been swept under the rug. Do I agree with him 100%? No!
Do I always agree with his tactics? No!

But this man is bringing to the surface the type of things that are wrong with America and need attention.

THEN it is up to you, and I guess the brain dead and lazy like myself to use our own brain and decide for ourselves.





I agree he is arrogant most times, but like I said above he is providing a much needed service. Agree or disagree with him, he brings matters to attention.

He appears to think he is the final answer at times but what he is doing is stirring up the people enough for them to take the action they feel needs done.

Controversial? Yes !

Good for the Country? Yes !

Hi All,

Of course I have to put my two cents in here! I do believe Bill causes people to think. I must admit I am not an avid watcher but a friend suggested I watch and of course I did out of curiosity. Whether people take the information given and believe it to be totally truth is up to them. That is one of our rights ( I don't think a good one but hey) I am the type of person that if I hear something I don't 100% believe it until I do my own research and form my own opinion. Put me in the group of people that insists on thinking for myself.

As far as him thinking he is the final answer on subjects thats all good. I have a 5 yr old that feels the same way! I just don't tell him otherwise and we are happy. Same goes for Bill..let him think that way..he doesn't govern my decisions anymore than anyone else. :)

[Rico Suavay]

Hi Rico,

I agree with you that Bill brings issues out that otherwise may not see the light of day. That's what I like about him.


Me too !



Well, so does everyone else. If you see a story on 60 Minutes, there's nothing to stop you from investigating further.


I agree ! And I also agree that he has to move on with subjects a little faster at times, but I think he keeps it brewing until something gets done or addressed. If not people will let if fall by the wayside.


I have written him a few letters in the past. As for debating him on his show, I'm hiding under my desk :)


I am afraid to write him, I probably would be the one picked to go on that show lol As for the debating him on his show,That was meant for the other poster.
Move over, make some room for me under there too! :)




I would not say that O'Reilly's audience is braindead and lazy in general. But anyone who allows themselves to be whipped up on O'Reilly's (or anyone else's) word without investigating and thinking further would fit into that category.

My point exactly ! :worthy:



I do think his show is valuable. But it does get old when we keep hearing about the same topics such as the "assault om Christmas". And it's annoying when Bill talks over his guests because they present an argument that he emotionally dismisses out of hand. He would probably be kicked off of this board for doing that :)

Yes he does have his quirks, doesnt he :chatter:

[Rico Suavay]

[QUOTE=Rico Suavay]

Hi All,

Of course I have to put my two cents in here! I do believe Bill causes people to think. I must admit I am not an avid watcher but a friend suggested I watch and of course I did out of curiosity. Whether people take the information given and believe it to be totally truth is up to them. That is one of our rights ( I don't think a good one but hey) I am the type of person that if I hear something I don't 100% believe it until I do my own research and form my own opinion. Put me in the group of people that insists on thinking for myself.

As far as him thinking he is the final answer on subjects thats all good. I have a 5 yr old that feels the same way! I just don't tell him otherwise and we are happy. Same goes for Bill..let him think that way..he doesn't govern my decisions anymore than anyone else. :)


He does seem to act like a spoiled brat at times lol

We are pretty avid watchers here, and we always follow up each story to get the "whole" story, instead of just one mans opinion.

But without him bringing these things to a national spotlight by being so extreme, some may just turn a deaf ear.

I do not always agree with his way of delivery, but I appreciate him for bringing these things to our attention, and them letting ME make up my own opinion on the subject AFTER I have done some follow up.

Love him or hate him, he does his job! :)

[vervilledeb1]

[QUOTE=vervilledeb1]


He does seem to act like a spoiled brat at times lol

We are pretty avid watchers here, and we always follow up each story to get the "whole" story, instead of just one mans opinion.

But without him bringing these things to a national spotlight by being so extreme, some may just turn a deaf ear.

I do not always agree with his way of delivery, but I appreciate him for bringing these things to our attention, and them letting ME make up my own opinion on the subject AFTER I have done some follow up.

Love him or hate him, he does his job! :)

Ah spoiled brats...I would know nothing about that! :) And yes, you summed up my thoughts about him causing people to think. I don't always like what he has to say but its causes me to think of it in different terms so to speak. And its actually a timesaver for me as I don't always have the time to catch what is on the headers for news. At least I feel like I'm somewhat up on current events!!

[Rico Suavay]

It really is hard to not only keep up with whats happening in the world, let alone keep up in my community.

We try to watch various up to day news shows and get a taste of all thats happening then expand on the subjects we are passionate about.

[WileyCoyote]

I gotta admit I enjoy getting pissed off at O'Reilly. Tonight he had a segment about a judge in Maryland that struck down an anti gay marriage law on the grounds that it was unconstitutional. He called her an "activiist judge". How dare she override the legislators? Well, Bill, that's a judges job, you dolt. To ensure that laws pass constitutional muster.

Bill thinks that any ruling that he disagrees with is "activism". He has a new pitch now, that marriage is a privilege not a right because you need a license. Didn't matter that Judge Napolitano said that the SCOTUS already decided that it was a right back when the earlier versions of O'Reilly tried to outlaw inter-racial marriage. "But gee, it's always been that way and it served us affluent white Christian heterosexual males just fine. So stop making waves."

Hey, thanks for letting me rant. On most boards the O'Reilly lovers would get vicious :evil:

[Rico Suavay]

Hey, thanks for letting me rant. On most boards the O'Reilly lovers would get vicious


I think you are in awe as I was when I first joined this board. :)

It is possible for adults to view their opinions and beliefs without being chastized and belittled. :chatter:

I myself love O'Reilly, but that would not stop me from being nice to you. That is how mature adults act. :pals:

This board is a breath of fresh air! :woohoo:

[InsanitysAngel]

I think you are in awe as I was when I first joined this board. :)

It is possible for adults to view their opinions and beliefs without being chastized and belittled. :chatter:

I myself love O'Reilly, but that would stop me from being nice to you. That is how mature adults act. :pals:

This board is a breath of fresh air! :woohoo:

Good evening Rico! You want to toss a "not" in between "would" and "stop" up there?

:D

And we're thrilled you are enjoying LiveWire.fm!

[Rico Suavay]

Oooops ! My bad !


My mind works faster than my fingers at times :violin:


Thanks for clearing that up before someone took my post the wrong way! I am such a :dork:

[InsanitysAngel]

Oooops ! My bad !


My mind works faster than my fingers at times :violin:


Thanks for clearing that up before someone took my post the wrong way! I am such a :dork:

I knew what you meant, yes, :D and I wanted to be sure everyone else did.

:pals:

[Rico Suavay]

Thats why I love you Angel :woohoo:

[vervilledeb1]

Oooops ! My bad !


My mind works faster than my fingers at times :violin:


Thanks for clearing that up before someone took my post the wrong way! I am such a :dork:

No problem Rico! Anyone reading your posts has figured out your not here to cause problems. Course you'd probably catch that one new member looking to. :sad11:

[InsanitysAngel]

I just like picking on him. :D

[LightHeart]

Can I just say, I can't stand Mr. Arrogant O'Reilly. Ok I feel better. :woohoo:

[Rico Suavay]

Can I just say, I can't stand Mr. Arrogant O'Reilly. Ok I feel better. :woohoo:


You can loathe the man if you would like :)


People have to respect your opinion even though they may not agree with it.


We need a Rumba emote , I like to dance :dork:

[Rico Suavay]

I just like picking on him. :D



And I like to be picked on! :evil:



:woohoo:

[Rico Suavay]

:woohoo: I got Rep power now ! :woohoo:


Rep Power 1 !

I dont even know what that means but it sounds like a good thing! :)

[vervilledeb1]

:woohoo: I got Rep power now ! :woohoo:



Rep Power 1 !

I dont even know what that means but it sounds like a good thing! :)

Congrats Rico! Rep power is based on the number of posts that you write. As I am typing this I have been in the system figuring out more exciting ways to use this power such as in contests for best posts, number of referrals and so on so stay tuned!!! :rotate: