To smoke to not to smoke

[factsuall]

In this topic I am referring to cigarattes and for those of legal age to smoke.

I live in Canada and I know our laws differ but the outrage may not.

I am in a home recently purchased when the previous owners hid the fact that they smoked IN house but left all kinds of 'evidence' that they smoked outdoors. We found out that this had been a deceptive act as their real estate agent said the house would not sell unless they did something.I am sure the agents meant something above board.

Being allergic to nicotine and smoke I became very ill here and had weekly magnesium treatments for 10 month to undo the damage and pain in my muslces and migraines. It was grueling civil court matter but at the end of the day the adjudicator here said the previous owners or agents had NO RESPONSIBLILTY to disclose smoking house on the disclosure sheet.

I think that is a serious health concern especially in the times we live in now.My agent was minimally penalized for not making sure the house was a non smoking house HOWEVER the damages done to my health are permanent.

What say you....did you have a same experience? Do you think homeowners SHOULD be required to state on the diclosure sheet that they smoked in the home?

Personally I think the homeowners are the biggest wrongdoers in this case then my agent for not making sure it was safe house from my family.. I think since their lawyer was friends with the judge he only blamed my agent.That is being investigated right now too.

[NicoMoon]

Oh boy, don't get me started on realtors and disclosures!!

That's an interesting question you pose. We smoke inside, it is our home after all. No one visiting, however can ever detect the smell, as we're major nutcases about removing odors with all the many products and techniques that are available.

Our realtor did tell us that one couple who saw our home asked if we smoked, and he said yes.

We sold our last house to a person who was extremely environmentally sensitive, and the smoke issue never came up, we didn't mention it voluntarily, but she spent hours in the house on several occasions prior to closing, and we had it professionally scoured before leaving from top to bottom, and never heard a complaint.

So, coming from a different angle, I think there are ethical, legal, and humanitarian issues involved here. The bottom line is that I would never lie or attempt to deceive anyone about our smoking, but I also feel no obligation to offer the information unsolicited. We also always deep clean our homes for the next residents. I wish we moved into houses as clean as those we leave!

It's a tough issue. Sorry to hear about your problems too, that's really terrible.

[SpareOOM]

In this topic I am referring to cigarattes and for those of legal age to smoke.



Being allergic to nicotine and smoke I became very ill here and had weekly magnesium treatments for 10 month to undo the damage and pain in my muslces and migraines. It was grueling civil court matter but at the end of the day the adjudicator here said the previous owners or agents had NO RESPONSIBLILTY to disclose smoking house on the disclosure sheet.

I think that is a serious health concern especially in the times we live in now..


I don't really understand how someone can be allergic to smoke (dust as well). I understand that it can be an irritant --esp. in a smokey room, or if someone is blowing it in your face--it really bothers me too, but how do you function in the world being allergic to it? It's everywhere. I don't understand how the residue, (say if someone smoked there yesterday) from yesterday can bother you today.

Not trying to be snippy or anything; I just don't understand how that works.
I've been in homes where chain smokers used to live (evident by the yellow walls, haha), but it was never a big deal. I just washed the walls. I never smelled the stink that long after the people left.

I can't stand to be around smokers...it makes my eyes water, but after they put out the cigarette, I can sit in the same room and not be bothered by the residual.

[factsuall]

Oh boy, don't get me started on realtors and disclosures!!

That's an interesting question you pose. We smoke inside, it is our home after all. No one visiting, however can ever detect the smell, as we're major nutcases about removing odors with all the many products and techniques that are available.

Our realtor did tell us that one couple who saw our home asked if we smoked, and he said yes.

We sold our last house to a person who was extremely environmentally sensitive, and the smoke issue never came up, we didn't mention it voluntarily, but she spent hours in the house on several occasions prior to closing, and we had it professionally scoured before leaving from top to bottom, and never heard a complaint.

So, coming from a different angle, I think there are ethical, legal, and humanitarian issues involved here. The bottom line is that I would never lie or attempt to deceive anyone about our smoking, but I also feel no obligation to offer the information unsolicited. We also always deep clean our homes for the next residents. I wish we moved into houses as clean as those we leave!

It's a tough issue. Sorry to hear about your problems too, that's really terrible.
Nico, I wish the previous owners were as responsible as you and your partner! They were known on the street as liars but of course we find that all out the hard way...I cannot possibly list all the tricks they did..What they DID do was paint everything yellow.

I thougth they were into Martha Stewart who I do not like but didnot want that to ruin the possibilities.I am also allergic to dogs, they removed all signs of pets. They used oil glade plug ins so when I got sick in the house per viewing we thought it was the plug ins as OUR agent ALREADY KNEW to ask about dogs and smoking.
So we solicited the info for medical reasons and the agent FAILED to ask and I do believe the selling agent that no one ask him. The fact is a propensity of evidence says the previous owners did KNOWINGLY set out to deceive in order to sell this home as the offer on their other home was about to be forfeited. They were desperate and in the meantime risked my life with serious medical concerns. It is appalling. We also found out that their lawyer altered photos so we are filing to have her investigated as well.... never a dull moment here and the money paid out is outrageous.....but I agree for humanitarian and ethical and medical reasons.....all should be revealed when requested...

ironically it was because I was too sick to work how I came to be at CTv for the very first time...I went from one mess to another one.....all kinds of smog and fog going on...;)))

[CarolAnn]

I don't really understand how someone can be allergic to smoke (dust as well). I understand that it can be an irritant --esp. in a smokey room, or if someone is blowing it in your face--it really bothers me too, but how do you function in the world being allergic to it? It's everywhere. I don't understand how the residue, (say if someone smoked there yesterday) from yesterday can bother you today.

Not trying to be snippy or anything; I just don't understand how that works.
I've been in homes where chain smokers used to live (evident by the yellow walls, haha), but it was never a big deal. I just washed the walls. I never smelled the stink that long after the people left.

I can't stand to be around smokers...it makes my eyes water, but after they put out the cigarette, I can sit in the same room and not be bothered by the residual.

People can be allergic to nicotine, especially if they come in contact with it. When people smoke, everything in their house gets coated with nicotine and tar and all kinds of nasty things.

My uncle chain-smoked in his house for about 5 years before he died. They had to strip the walls and repaint them and replace all the curtains and carpet. No one could stand to go in his house.

[factsuall]

I don't really understand how someone can be allergic to smoke (dust as well). I understand that it can be an irritant --esp. in a smokey room, or if someone is blowing it in your face--it really bothers me too, but how do you function in the world being allergic to it? It's everywhere. I don't understand how the residue, (say if someone smoked there yesterday) from yesterday can bother you today.

Not trying to be snippy or anything; I just don't understand how that works.
I've been in homes where chain smokers used to live (evident by the yellow walls, haha), but it was never a big deal. I just washed the walls. I never smelled the stink that long after the people left.

I can't stand to be around smokers...it makes my eyes water, but after they put out the cigarette, I can sit in the same room and not be bothered by the residual.I function very carefully S :))

I also have chemical sensitivities and for the most part I am a medical recluse because of all the issues.

I have to be careful where I go and cannot socialize for I cannot control the other environments. I can only control my own which is why it is crucial that MINE be safe. Here you cannot spoke in public places OTHER than the street.

Residue IS left in walls and seeps in wooden surfaces and most of this house is wooden or wall...but you said it...these people were NOT clean and that became evident after the house was bought ...the yellow thermastats covers etc were NOT bought that way...it was all nicotined....YUCKY!

[factsuall]

People can be allergic to nicotine, especially if they come in contact with it. When people smoke, everything in their house gets coated with nicotine and tar and all kinds of nasty things.

My uncle chain-smoked in his house for about 5 years before he died. They had to strip the walls and repaint them and replace all the curtains and carpet. No one could stand to go in his house.
EXACTLY CA.. I have had to do all that and they were only here 7 years with 3 minors ..I had to get a machine to suck the smoke out the walls, cabinets and air...That pissed me off!

If I touch nicotine I break out in rashes and cannot breath, migraines, muscle rigidity etc

It was not pretty!

If they could not careless about their own child safety they could not care less about a stranger! :mad:

[Sprocket]

Nico, I wish the previous owners were as responsible as you and your partner! They were known on the street as liars but of course we find that all out the hard way...I cannot possibly list all the tricks they did..What they DID do was paint everything yellow.

I thougth they were into Martha Stewart who I do not like but didnot want that to ruin the possibilities.I am also allergic to dogs, they removed all signs of pets. They used oil glade plug ins so when I got sick in the house per viewing we thought it was the plug ins as OUR agent ALREADY KNEW to ask about dogs and smoking.
So we solicited the info for medical reasons and the agent FAILED to ask and I do believe the selling agent that no one ask him. The fact is a propensity of evidence says the previous owners did KNOWINGLY set out to deceive in order to sell this home as the offer on their other home was about to be forfeited. They were desperate and in the meantime risked my life with serious medical concerns. It is appalling. We also found out that their lawyer altered photos so we are filing to have her investigated as well.... never a dull moment here and the money paid out is outrageous.....but I agree for humanitarian and ethical and medical reasons.....all should be revealed when requested...

ironically it was because I was too sick to work how I came to be at CTv for the very first time...I went from one mess to another one.....all kinds of smog and fog going on...;)))

Have you heard about the air purifiers that congress used after the anthrax letters that were sent? They are pricey, about $650.... but they do work. I believe this could solve some of your problems. I think they are called living air.

[factsuall]

Have you heard about the air purifiers that congress used after the anthrax letters that were sent? They are pricey, about $650.... but they do work. I believe this could solve some of your problems. I think they are called living air.
Thanks S good to know,

My doctor said unless I had an air purifier after the work I could not stay here so after we rented an oxinator for 3 days....I had to buy an air purifier by AllerAir..it is about 1500 CDN and a medical machien so it does wonders but so much clean up had to be done first...and od course I was doing work getting sicker,this summer I felt much better and did the entire landscaping so I had a break with that as well...

I just think we should have consumer legislation for this.....if I am home owner or landlord and I have lead paint on walls the legislation in USA says I must disclose for health reasons....we do not have same laws in Canada...dang...I think we have been 'smart' about smoke for too many years not to have it in the books....the cost is too great....

[SpareOOM]

I'm more concerned abput people who boil cabbage in the house. Now that chit stinks.

[factsuall]

I'm more concerned abput people who boil cabbage in the house. Now that chit stinks.
Had I known you were not sincere in your inquiry I would not have bothered to respond to your question on the smoking.

It is a serious health concern that kills people.

I donot know of any cases where cabbage killed anybody but please enlighten me!

[SpareOOM]

Lighten up. I can talk about cabbage anytime I want to. If you don't like it, hit the back button.

[NicoMoon]

I guess the issue is how responsible we all are for each other's sensitivities.

I served on a jury a few years ago where the complainent was suing a women who touched bumpers with her at a stop sign. There was no damage to either car, the impact was described as being about equal to the jar a body would experience from jumping off a curb.

The reason for the lawsuit was that the complainent claimed to have some rare condition where even the slightest jarring could cause her permanent damage. It was all very sad, but halfway through the trial I started worrying that I might bump into this woman in the supermarket or something, and end up in court.

I really don't believe that the woman had any such condition, she managed to go dirt biking on her honeymoon after the accident, so I mean, really!

But, even if she does have a condition like that, I guess it's her problem when you get right down to it. If she puts herself in mortal danger everytime she's in the company of others, it's a shame, but really, how can everyone else be made to be responsible for that?

On the smoking issue, I think that it's fair and reasonable to be considerate of others when smoking. I always ask before lighting up in front of non-smokers, and I will refrain from smoking on other people's environments, but the most I'll do in my house is go into another room or out on the sunporch if the weather is nice. I can't deal with people who complain that they can still smell the smoke. Really, all I can tell them is to go home.

I do bend over backwards to avoid offending people with my smoking, but there's a point where it would be nice to notice the super sensitive people making some compromises on my behalf too.

I think sometimes all these oversensitivities are just control tactics. I don't scoff at allergies, because I've developed a few myself, but I definitely don't consider them to be anyone else's problem or responsibility other than my own.

Life is all about give and take.

[factsuall]

I guess the issue is how responsible we all are for each other's sensitivities.

I served on a jury a few years ago where the complainent was suing a women who touched bumpers with her at a stop sign. There was no damage to either car, the impact was described as being about equal to the jar a body would experience from jumping off a curb.

The reason for the lawsuit was that the complainent claimed to have some rare condition where even the slightest jarring could cause her permanent damage. It was all very sad, but halfway through the trial I started worrying that I might bump into this woman in the supermarket or something, and end up in court.

I really don't believe that the woman had any such condition, she managed to go dirt biking on her honeymoon after the accident, so I mean, really!

But, even if she does have a condition like that, I guess it's her problem when you get right down to it. If she puts herself in mortal danger everytime she's in the company of others, it's a shame, but really, how can everyone else be made to be responsible for that?

On the smoking issue, I think that it's fair and reasonable to be considerate of others when smoking. I always ask before lighting up in front of non-smokers, and I will refrain from smoking on other people's environments, but the most I'll do in my house is go into another room or out on the sunporch if the weather is nice. I can't deal with people who complain that they can still smell the smoke. Really, all I can tell them is to go home.

I do bend over backwards to avoid offending people with my smoking, but there's a point where it would be nice to notice the super sensitive people making some compromises on my behalf too.

I think sometimes all these oversensitivities are just control tactics. I don't scoff at allergies, because I've developed a few myself, but I definitely don't consider them to be anyone else's problem or responsibility other than my own.

Life is all about give and take.
Nico,

There is a huge gap between the States and Canada way of litigation. As you know the States are often teased for being too litigious and I can assure you that Canadians are not litigious enough.Where is the middle?

I agree. People are responsible for what makes their environment or person safe. But that can only be accomplished with the integrity of other people. I know my case is extreme exampl of recklessness despite all the efforts put in place to avoid such things from happening.

The small claims agreed but limited who was responsible and of course I donot get any personal injury monies just compensation for monies spent out for the mess.

There are those who give others a bad name for embellishing damages/injury.I akin them to people who make false allegations : we all lose.

You sound that you are a responsible person with your smoking Nico and that is all one can ask. Whether it be smoking or not we as adults should aspire to act in a way resepctful to our own space as well as others.

I recently heard this story where a grandmother deliberately blew smoke in her granddaughters face to see if the mother told the truth. The mother said the smoking was making her baby sick and cranky......what motivates persons to do this...the daughter took mom to Moral Court and 'mister looks so fine' found grandmother to be MORALLY OUTRAGEOUS!

[SpareOOM]

[QUOTE=NicoMoon]
I think sometimes all these oversensitivities are just control tactics. QUOTE]

I agree. Two additional thoughts:

(1) Sometimes, I also think that a lot of the time it's attention seeking behavior.
and
(2) Sometimes, smoke sensitive people are conditioned to have a reaction at the mere sight of a cigarette. For example, people--mostly men, walking around with unlit cigarettes in their mouths and people start reacting at the sight of the cigarette. I recently saw this happen in a local bank; someone saw a man enter the bank with a cigarette in his mouth and they did not realize that it was not lit, and they start coughing, hacking and making comments. Man pulls cigarette from his mouth and said, "gee...what would it do to you if was lit?"

:chatter:

[NicoMoon]

[QUOTE=NicoMoon]
I think sometimes all these oversensitivities are just control tactics. QUOTE]

I agree. Two additional thoughts:

(1) Sometimes, I also think that a lot of the time it's attention seeking behavior.
and
(2) Sometimes, smoke sensitive people are conditioned to have a reaction at the mere sight of a cigarette. For example, people--mostly men, walking around with unlit cigarettes in their mouths and people start reacting at the sight of the cigarette. I recently saw this happen in a local bank; someone saw a man enter the bank with a cigarette in his mouth and they did not realize that it was not lit, and they start coughing, hacking and making comments. Man pulls cigarette from his mouth and said, "gee...what would it do to you if was lit?"

:chatter:


Yes, the power of suggestion! It's very profound! Maybe we should find the best ways to make us work for us, and not against us!

[enigma]

[QUOTE=SpareOOM]


Yes, the power of suggestion! It's very profound! Maybe we should find the best ways to make us work for us, and not against us!

The placebo effect is to me the most startling of all. Here's an article that shows just how powerful a mere suggestion can be:

More Scientific Proof of the Power of Suggestion (http://www.bcx.net/hypnosis/placebo2.htm)

The effectiveness of suggestion has been demonstrated over and over again in every field of medicine and human behavior. In fact, in practically every instance of research on drugs with humans, suggestion has been proven effective, In many cases it was more effective than the pharmaceutical being tested!

— Henderson, Self Hypnosis for the Life You Want, p. 170

[factsuall]

Enigma great read again.

The effect of placebos is the unrefuted evidence that we can fool ourselves if we really want to.For some it is easier than others of course;))).
Having had to do too much research myself, there are always confounds to EVERY research it does not matter how ethical or credible the researcher or topic may be.
The placebo effect is one of the foundations to the success of positive mediation for healing. IF we say it will work, it WILL work.

Conversely the reality of placebo effect has been used to denote the seriousness of certain situations espcially among women. One of the greatest enemies to women in health care is the very popluar and somewhat mysogynistics view that women tend to 'make-up' their symptoms, or that it is in their head, or that it is hormonal and will pass.

Women have been used unbeknownst to them for placebo testing that would inadvertently suggest that it iS all in their head for if they were 'cured' or symptoms alleviated by a placebo then it did not exist in the first place.

The placebo effect has taught us that we can change and fool illness and our own systems to thinking it is well. Conversely it can be used to dismiss the medical grievances of certain people.

The power of suggestion...mine must not be working...cause they keep coming back ....repair in aisle 6 please.....;)))

[Looking Far]

Proud to say that I am now a bit over 4 months' smoke-free, thanks to laser treatment that I received, the type of which is available only in Canada, from what I understand.

I go to Canada to play bingo from time to time, and had heard that effective this year all smoking has to happen outside. Does that include the bingo halls? I cannot imagine those people not being able to smoke while they dab. Not knocking them, I was one of them a short while ago. I bet you more than a few heads will roll if that be the case! :rotate:

[Looking Far]

Why can't they take some of that money from the tobacco companies that were given to each state and provide some free stop-smoking aids??? If you have no insurance, which I don't, the cost of the various stop-smoking stuff is prohibitive.

What EXACTLY happens with those millions of dollars. If a smoker wanting to stop can't access the money, who can????

:brothas:

[Franklin]

Hi Looking Far,

Congratulations on quiting!

I've never heard of using lasers to quite smoking. How is it applied? I guess they can burn your lips with it so it's too painful to smoke :)

I agree with you that the states ought to put at least some of the money into direct smoking cessation programs. We seem to have this idea in this country that you got do it yourself with no help from the government. That would be fine, but then why is the government extracting money from the tobacco companies?

I think all the money is going to Rob Reiner. That's a half joke. Rob Reiner is the son of Carl Reiner, an old time comedian. He played Michael Stivic, AKA Meathead, on the '70s sitcom All in the Family. He also was in This is Spinal Tap. Lately, though, he has spent most of his time trying to make sure that nobody in Califonia can smoke anywhere at anytime. I do think he controls a lot of the money that California got the tobacco companies.

Cheers, Franklin

[Looking Far]

Hi Looking Far,

Congratulations on quiting!

I've never heard of using lasers to quite smoking. How is it applied? I guess they can burn your lips with it so it's too painful to smoke :)

I agree with you that the states ought to put at least some of the money into direct smoking cessation programs. We seem to have this idea in this country that you got do it yourself with no help from the government. That would be fine, but then why is the government extracting money from the tobacco companies?

I think all the money is going to Rob Reiner. That's a half joke. Rob Reiner is the son of Carl Reiner, an old time comedian. He played Michael Stivic, AKA Meathead, on the '70s sitcom All in the Family. He also was in This is Spinal Tap. Lately, though, he has spent most of his time trying to make sure that nobody in Califonia can smoke anywhere at anytime. I do think he controls a lot of the money that California got the tobacco companies.

Cheers, Franklin
Hi Franklin! Thanks for the congrats!

Nawwwww ... no burning. It was advertised as being 100% painless - no way would I have even considered anything otherwise. It's called "soft laser treatment". They basically applied the laser (via light, direct contact) starting around the inside of my ears, then proceeding around my nose, then my lips, and finally, my "smoking" fingers ... you know the two that you hold the cig between, if you are a smoker? While all the time applying what I would call light suggestive thoughts.

When I came home, I had to totally wash every stitch that I owned, drying it with 4 bounce sheets in each load, and basically totally change the "smells" I was accustomed too. Burn incense, light scented candles, that kind of stuff.

I had tried EVERYTHING Franklin ... EVERYTHING! This, however, has been unbelievable. I forget, most of the time, that I ever smoked. Oh! They also aim one of those lasers at your "eating impulse area" to curb your appetite so that you don't have the weight gain with it. Another good side effect is a general feeling of "euphoria" which lasts up to 6 months'. It also came with a free-return guarantee if I start back smoking within a year.

The really good part is, this time around, I'm not bothering anybody with it. Not waving my hands in front of my nose. Not telling folk they are killing themselves. Not sarcastically saying, while looking down my nose, "I don't smoke anymore." :p

[NicoMoon]

Nico,

There is a huge gap between the States and Canada way of litigation. As you know the States are often teased for being too litigious and I can assure you that Canadians are not litigious enough.Where is the middle?

On matters like smoking, I guess I'm a Libertarian, I think these are personal matters between individuals. In your situation if you had specifically stated the smoking as a term of sale in your contract, you would have a legal argument if they signed a fraudulent statement. Leaving a house dirty, smelly, even offensively so is not an issue for litigation. We had that happen to us once, and made an agreement with the previous owners at closing that they would remedy the situation. It wasn't the best scenario, but we did get some contribution from them toward getting the house into acceptable condition. This only happened because our realtor did not do what we asked, and put it in the agreement that we wanted the house professionally cleaned. She said it was a "given" and we were dumb enough to not insist nevertheless. We all have to live with our mistakes. It's not one that we will make again, that's for sure!

I recently heard this story where a grandmother deliberately blew smoke in her granddaughters face to see if the mother told the truth. The mother said the smoking was making her baby sick and cranky......what motivates persons to do this...the daughter took mom to Moral Court and 'mister looks so fine' found grandmother to be MORALLY OUTRAGEOUS!

Told that way it's morally outrageous, but I'm morally outraged at the lengths some people go to to try to force people to not smoke. Another way to look at that situation is that possibly the daughter was emotionally brutalizing the mother for smoking anywhere in proximity to the child, as we know a lot of militant anti-smoking people do. If they even see a cigarette the want to start claiming that their lives are suddenly at risk, as SpareOom pointed out.

Babies, no matter how well cared for are exposed to the same environmental hazards as we all are. Is it possible that the grandmother was only trying to establish the truth of her grandaughter's sensitivity, and the mother blew the whole story out of proportion?

I really does sound horrific, but it's hard for me to believe that someone would actually do that. I could imagine myself going to some distant location that someone claimed was still too close for them or their baby to not instantly drop dead of second hand smoke, just to prove the point one way or the other. Could that have possibly been the actual case?

Just playing devil's advocate here. I know that it's really easy for smokers to be demonized. Let's face it, we all do have the legal right to smoke, and to the peaceful enjoyment of our homes. There's gotta be room for compromise somewhere, even as it applies to babies, since I don't know where babies can safely be taken that there's a guarantee they won't smell cigarette smoke.

In fact, there are studies that show that babies who are too protected from all environmental hazards never build a healthy immune system.

None of which is advocating blowing smoke in a baby's face, but the fact is that I'm quite sure that most of the mothers who raised people my age did smoke, some even while nursing us, as that was before there was so much information about the hazards of smoking. My parents smoked around us all the time, and so far we're all hanging in there pretty well, even though most of us smoke too. We all make our choices, and thank God we have the freedom to do so.

And no, I don't smoke around babies!! :eek:

[NicoMoon]

The really good part is, this time around, I'm not bothering anybody with it. Not waving my hands in front of my nose. Not telling folk they are killing themselves. Not sarcastically saying, while looking down my nose, "I don't smoke anymore." :p.

Hi LF! I'm don't think I've welcomed you yet!! Welcome to Livewire, it's good to see you!

I have to agree that there's nothing quite so obnoxious as a self-righteous ex-smoker, but I do appreciate stories like yours about how people quit, and how they feel afterwards. I could live without the cigs myself, but I'm a serial quitter! I won't tell my story, because I don't want to leave you with any subliminal suggestions that might come back on you in a weak moment! :D

As to the bingo halls, I'm not an advocate of smoke filled public rooms myself.
Even as a smoker I really don't like being in that kind of environment, it totally stinks!

I was stunned on my last trip to Vegas to note how clean the air is there, despite all the people smoking. You'd never have a clue if you didn't see the burning cigarettes. I don't know what kind of air filtration systems they use, but they're certainly a great compromise! Maybe too expensive for bingo halls though!

[Looking Far]

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Hi LF! I'm don't think I've welcomed you yet!! Welcome to Livewire, it's good to see you!

I have to agree that there's nothing quite so obnoxious as a self-righteous ex-smoker, but I do appreciate stories like yours about how people quit, and how they feel afterwards. I could live without the cigs myself, but I'm a serial quitter! I won't tell my story, because I don't want to leave you with any subliminal suggestions that might come back on you in a weak moment! :D

As to the bingo halls, I'm not an advocate of smoke filled public rooms myself.
Even as a smoker I really don't like being in that kind of environment, it totally stinks!

I was stunned on my last trip to Vegas to note how clean the air is there, despite all the people smoking. You'd never have a clue if you didn't see the burning cigarettes. I don't know what kind of air filtration systems they use, but they're certainly a great compromise! Maybe too expensive for bingo halls though!
Hi Nico! Thanks for the welcome.

I remember hearing long before I was old enough to understand how true it is that ain't nothing worse than a reformed "ANYTHING". The last time I stopped smoking, I got on my OWN nerves, I was so obnoxious. :spineyes:

I'm at the age now where I just try to leave folk alone. Know what I mean? I know how to remove myself from any environment that offends me (that even includes a message board; as it relates to that other subject). Took a long time to learn that lesson. I just "had" to jump in the middle of everything and prove my little old point. LOTS more peace in my life.

Plus, I'm just arrogant enough to figure that the best thing I can do to "fix" a person is to deprive them of the pleasure of my companionship. :angel:

Nice meeting you Nico. There are many interesting subjects here.

[NicoMoon]

Hi Nico! Thanks for the welcome.

I remember hearing long before I was old enough to understand how true it is that ain't nothing worse than a reformed "ANYTHING". The last time I stopped smoking, I got on my OWN nerves, I was so obnoxious. :spineyes:

I'm at the age now where I just try to leave folk alone. Know what I mean? I know how to remove myself from any environment that offends me (that even includes a message board; as it relates to that other subject). Took a long time to learn that lesson. I just "had" to jump in the middle of everything and prove my little old point. LOTS more peace in my life.

Plus, I'm just arrogant enough to figure that the best thing I can do to "fix" a person is to deprive them of the pleasure of my companionship. :angel:

Nice meeting you Nico. There are many interesting subjects here.

I like your attitude, LF! I'll bet your correct that it's a loss to lose the pleasure of your company!

I think these attitudes come with experience, the kind we are humble enough to learn from anyway! Then after enough years of humility, we get to be arrogant know-it-alls, but this time we're right! :D

It's very nice to meet you too, and I'm glad you're finding our site interesting. We're only just getting started, do I hope you bear with us, and stay tuned! :)

[Looking Far]

Then after enough years of humility, we get to be arrogant know-it-alls, but this time we're right! :D



So true, so true! :lol:

... and thanks!

[MilkDudz]

I quit smoking about five months ago, and I've been careful not to be one of those proselytizing non-smokers. I did, however, recently see a new commercial on TV that shocked me enough to write to them and ask where it could be found online, just so I could give the link to my friends who still smoke. I think the commercial might've been enough to make me quit, if I hadn't already quit.

http://www.doingyoudamage.com/artery.htm

View only if you're looking for an incentive to quit.

[NicoMoon]

I'm too skeert! Sprocket also posted about the power of subliminal suggestion! :eek:

[SpareOOM]

http://www.doingyoudamage.com/artery.htm

View only if you're looking for an incentive to quit

EEK! That is nasty. :eek:

I quit a year and a half ago. Smoked 25 years. Tough road to travel , but I like the scenery!

[MilkDudz]

I quit right after I decided to relocate. I'm moving in a few weeks to an area with less oxygen (higher altitude). I have had a secret smoke or two when I've gone over to hang out with my brother.

[InsanitysAngel]

Wow, that video is thought provoking!

Glad I had all ready quit!

[NicoMoon]

I quit right after I decided to relocate. I'm moving in a few weeks to an area with less oxygen (higher altitude). I have had a secret smoke or two when I've gone over to hang out with my brother.

Good luck and good for you MilkDudz! I'm a serial quitter, so if you need advise on quitting, I'm your woman! If you need advise on staying quit, I'm the wrong person! :D

I do know that it's just a matter of wanting to not smoke more than one wants to smoke. And let's face it, there aren't too many rational reasons to smoke, are there?

Please let us know how you get on, and good luck with your relocation too!

[InsanitysAngel]

After selling the old computer that was in my home office for 4 years before I quit, I am smugly enjoying the fact that my NEW computer will have NO tar and nicotine build-up in it. :p

I couldn't even begin to describe the nasty things I cleaned out of that computer before I sold it! :spineyes:

There was a book by Allen Carr that helped me tremendously. His theory is that once all the myths and such associated with smoking are dispelled, it is easier to quit. I have to admit, I had MANY "aha" moments while reading it.

[NicoMoon]

After selling the old computer that was in my home office for 4 years before I quit, I am smugly enjoying the fact that my NEW computer will have NO tar and nicotine build-up in it. :p

I couldn't even begin to describe the nasty things I cleaned out of that computer before I sold it! :spineyes:

There was a book by Allen Carr that helped me tremendously. His theory is that once all the myths and such associated with smoking are dispelled, it is easier to quit. I have to admit, I had MANY "aha" moments while reading it.

I'll have to look that book up, IA, thanks for the recommendation. I do know that there's a mental process involved in quitting. The first time I quit I had been moaning to myself about how the cigarettes were ruling me, etc, and the simple thought that finally shut down all the excuses was "You own the cigarettes, they don't own you." I quit for 7 years that time.

Then the little voice said "it's been 7 years, you can have 1 and it won't hurt." Lying little voices! :evil:

Hahahahaha....now I know that if you smoke 1 cigarette, you are a smoker!

[InsanitysAngel]

He has a gender specific version for women, but honestly, I saw nothing gender specific in it. You could probably buy either version, and I think his original is older, so it's likely cheaper.

It's a short book, and one of his first points is that you are to not even CONSIDER quitting until after you finish the book. I managed to drag a little over 200 pages out for 6 months.............................



:lol:

[NicoMoon]

He has a gender specific version for women, but honestly, I saw nothing gender specific in it. You could probably buy either version, and I think his original is older, so it's likely cheaper.

It's a short book, and one of his first points is that you are to not even CONSIDER quitting until after you finish the book. I managed to drag a little over 200 pages out for 6 months.............................



:lol:

Oh, there's nothing more devious than the mind of a smoker!! :dork:

[InsanitysAngel]

Oh, there's nothing more devious than the mind of a smoker!! :dork:


Sure there is, a cheatin' husband............... :evil:

'Tis why I'm a single gal. :angel:

[vervilledeb1]

Sure there is, a cheatin' husband............... :evil:

'Tis why I'm a single gal. :angel:

Whoa IA! I don't think we'll see any of those guys posting in this one..lol. I think their hiding in another thread. :blowup:

[InsanitysAngel]

Whoa IA! I don't think we'll see any of those guys posting in this one..lol. I think their hiding in another thread. :blowup:


You think maybe I scared them?

:evil:

[MilkDudz]

Good luck and good for you MilkDudz! I'm a serial quitter, so if you need advise on quitting, I'm your woman! If you need advise on staying quit, I'm the wrong person! :D

I do know that it's just a matter of wanting to not smoke more than one wants to smoke. And let's face it, there aren't too many rational reasons to smoke, are there?

Please let us know how you get on, and good luck with your relocation too!
Thanks -- the relocation is making me a bit crazy ("a bit" is open to the imagination). I have four weeks left to get everything packed up and on a truck heading west. Plus three flights, each with one cat. Haven't sold my place here yet, and have to close on the place there four weeks from Monday. I'm in a state of high anxiety (so maybe I'll go see my brother and bum a cigarette tomorrow . . .).

[SpareOOM]

Plus three flights, each with one cat

Oh poor kitties! I hope they were Ok during their air adventure. My cats would vomit and poop nonstop if they ever went on a plane (they can't hack a 2 mile ride in the car without a major mess...eek)!

:kitty: :kitty: :kitty: :kitty: :kitty:

[vervilledeb1]

Thanks -- the relocation is making me a bit crazy ("a bit" is open to the imagination). I have four weeks left to get everything packed up and on a truck heading west. Plus three flights, each with one cat. Haven't sold my place here yet, and have to close on the place there four weeks from Monday. I'm in a state of high anxiety (so maybe I'll go see my brother and bum a cigarette tomorrow . . .).

Let us know how you make out with the relocation MD. And of course Good Luck. Hopefully the kitty will be okay on the trip. I can imagine the stress with all of this!

[zandyne]

What say you....did you have a same experience? Do you think homeowners SHOULD be required to state on the diclosure sheet that they smoked in the home?

I think that homeowners should be required to state whether they had smoked in the home. I had not experienced a similar situation, but I cannot stand the smell of smoke and everything smelling like it. It can be really easy to tell if the house had been occupied by smokers previously.

[NicoMoon]

Ok, and what else should homeowners be required to state? How about how many cloves of garlic they've fried? Whether or not they make a lot of curry? Maybe if they've ever gotten sick on the carpet? What kind of ant spray they've used? The list could go on and on, if we're going to want disclosure laws.

Smoking is hardly the only cause of smells in the home. An argument could be made that brand new carpet and paint is a greater health hazard. For that matter, so is good insulation.

When we purchase a home, we each have the ability to ask the pertinent questions and make our decisions on the basis of the answers. We have the right to a home inspection prior to purchase, and we can put anything we like in the sale contract.

And let's face it, if a house is in a desirable market at a good price, someone is going to buy it and quickly.

People who are environmentally sensitive might be better served to get to the bottom of what is causing their problems and deal with them, rather than to try to take them out on everyone else through legislation and emotional distress. If we're going to go there, I'm going to lobby for the environmentally sensitive to move into sanitized compounds and stay there, so the rest of us don't have to risk being sued by them for some inadvertent infringement upon their delicacies.

This world is getting just a tad too litigious and overly sensitive for my taste!

My very excellent acupuncturist says that there is really no such thing as an allergy, it's all a matter of personal physical imbalance or weakness that can be addressed and corrected in most cases.

[NicoMoon]

Let us know how you make out with the relocation MD. And of course Good Luck. Hopefully the kitty will be okay on the trip. I can imagine the stress with all of this!

Gee, no word from MD!! I sure hope all the moving and relocation went well!!

MD, can you hear us????? :sad3:

[zandyne]

Yes, you do have a point about other (sometimes worse) causes of odor other than smoke. One of my relatives was a heavy smoker, and whenever I visited, it was really bad. So I shouldn't have generalized like that, it's just a few "bad apples" like that who alter peoples' perception of smokers vs. non-smokers.

[Faucet]

That horrible what happened to you especially of the judge who agreed with them because of a bias.

[nighthawk]

Does anyone agree that if the potential buyer asks then the information should be given? Next a lawsuit will come about because they didn't like the religion that was practiced in the house before they bought it. We are talking of peoples houses and we need some freedoms or rights.

[InsanitysAngel]

Does anyone agree that if the potential buyer asks then the information should be given? Next a lawsuit will come about because they didn't like the religion that was practiced in the house before they bought it. We are talking of peoples houses and we need some freedoms or rights.

Don't laugh, I think the previous owners of my house were into voodoo. My office goes through spells of smelling like a rooster. I do know they kept roosters in here.

:jumpers:

[vervilledeb1]

Don't laugh, I think the previous owners of my house were into voodoo. My office goes through spells of smelling like a rooster. I do know they kept roosters in here.

:jumpers:

Okay, I have never heard of people keeping roosters in their houses. Were there feathers left behind?

[InsanitysAngel]

Okay, I have never heard of people keeping roosters in their houses. Were there feathers left behind?

No, no feathers. LOTS of stains though, and that SMELL!!

:mad:

I will only say this: they moved back to Arkansas.

[nighthawk]

No, no feathers. LOTS of stains though, and that SMELL!!

:mad:

I will only say this: they moved back to Arkansas.


I have to say that doesn't sound too appealing! Ewwww

[vervilledeb1]

I have to say that doesn't sound too appealing! Ewwww


I have heard of some pretty weird stuff and I could see bringing them in if I bad storm was coming I guess. :eek:

[InsanitysAngel]

It was really bad when we first moved in. It's getting better. The biggest problem is that we just don't have enough decent weather to leave the windows open to air out the house. It gets too hot SO quickly in the year.

[Melos]

Yikes! I wouldn't know what a rooster smells like, so I'd never know if voodoo was practiced in a house I wanted to buy!
I think that anything can be asked about the house, but not the personal activities and habits of the homeowners. You can get smoke smell out of a house.

[NicoMoon]

Yikes! I wouldn't know what a rooster smells like, so I'd never know if voodoo was practiced in a house I wanted to buy!

Maybe another clue would be the zombies in the attic! :lol:



I think that anything can be asked about the house, but not the personal activities and habits of the homeowners. You can get smoke smell out of a house.

Yes, one can get the smoke smell out of a house. It's just that some fanatics will swear they can smell it if they know it was there, and that it's killing them nevertheless!

I think that people who are buying a house should ask whatever they want, and the owners can answer or not. The way I look at it is that if someone is interested in my house but feels the urge to ask intrusive questions or seems unreasonable or fanatical, that's a sure sign that it's going to be a verrrry difficult sale if their offer is accepted. I guess at that point the issue is how badly we need to sell.

Now about that rooster smell, I think you're quite fortunate to have missed the experience, and I hope your luck continues to hold! :dance:

[hokeshel]

I do believe it should be mentioned if someone smoked in the home. Anything tht could possibly effect the health of the future homeowners or the value of the home must always be mentioned. I am sorry you had to go through this.

[Fluffernutter]

Well, I think I'm gonna have a cigarette before bed.